Hockey Factory Shop

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  1. Johnny Heath

    Johnny Heath FHF Starter

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    Hi..has anyone else experienced poor service from them? Demanding my money back for order I placed on 15th August. Was due to be delivered yesterday but couldn't find address. Amended the address to parents for delivery today and it never arrived. And tracking says it's being sent back to Hockey Factory Shop. o_O
     
  2. otss

    otss FHF Top Player

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    Is that the shops fault or the courier - once the parcel leaves the store its in the hands of the courier, the store maybe trying to do all they can to get it delivered for you.
     
  3. Mac

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    We don't talk about Hockey Factory Shop here.

    Legal Notice.
     
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    That's since been rescinded I am fairly sure?
     
  5. Mac

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    THIS was the most recent admin notice. To be honest, and given the precedent for issuing legal notices, if we can't say anything nice (and I'm yet to find people who can) it's probably best to say nothing at all...
     
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  6. Johnny Heath

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    Sorry..didn't see the legal notice. Please remove thread.
     
  8. Gingerbread

    Gingerbread FHF All Time Great

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    It says a lot in this day and age that you can send a letter proposing legal action for a thread because of criticism - saying false things is one thing, a factual report of events is another. With many review sites available, preventing bad news getting out is harder and harder fortunately.
     
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    That legal notice is from 2012 and I'm pretty sure things have changed since then. It's also funny that when I google Hockey Factory Shop, the Legal Notice post comes right after the company website. #marketingfail
     
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    If it was factual without opinion I can't see how they would have a leg to stand on
     
  11. Gingerbread

    Gingerbread FHF All Time Great

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    The problem is that if you have money you can send a warning letter from your lawyers and a volunteer run site like this simply can't afford to run the risk of losing a defamation case (UK internet laws makes the site liable for comments) so agree to take the post down rather than trying to defend it. In many ways it's better to use review sites like Google or Reevoo
     
  12. Willowsacorns

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    And in doing so perpetuate the problem of caving to completely spurious actions by those who send out ridiculous letters threatening things they cannot follow through on.
     
  13. Mac

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    Cost is always a prime driver in litigation. And bullies only pick on people smaller than themselves.

    As an adjunct, the English law of defamation* requires a Defendant to prove they didn't defame, rather than, say the US system where the Claimant is (as I understand it generally) required to prove they were defamed. This is one of the reasons, e.g Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin were sued (thankfully unsuccessfully) by David Irving in the English Courts.

    *Which I use as a catch all, knowing full well there are technical differences between libel, slander, malicious falsehood etc.
     
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    Gingerbread FHF All Time Great

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    Hence the beauty of Arkell vs Pressdram ;)
     
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    Yeah but Irving was always onto a hiding to nothing given he IS a Holocause denier as the judge ruled* and so claiming it was defamation to call him that was obviously going to fail

    The judge in 2000 ruled Irving was "an active Holocaust denier; that he was anti-Semitic and racist and that he associated with right-wing extremists who promoted neo-Nazism"
     
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  16. Mac

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    Have you listened to Lipstadt's TED Talk on the court case? Incredibly powerful and one of my favourite TEDs. I highly recommend it, so have a LINK.
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    EDIT: Sppeleng woz rong
     
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  17. Gingerbread

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    As we're going OT, one of the great WW2 American generals (might have been Eisenhower) even predicted it, he ordered crews to come and photograph and film the camps so that deniers would always be on the back foot vs the genuine evidence from the time proving it. Move on 70 years and still the anti-Semites bang on about it - most of them ignore or unaware of the fact that it was also Slavs, disabled, gay people etc etc all ended up in the camps, not just some sort of Jewish conspiracy
     
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    Providing facts which you can prove have happened is not a problem. Provided you can prove they happened.
    Providing opinion on those happenings can have problems if the plaintiff is a litigious **** and thinks your opinion is unreasonable. However the British Courts have a history of understanding "fair comment" even if said comment is less than polite

    Further to the reference to Arkell vs Pressdram earlier, I would like to draw your attention to Allason vs BBC Worldwide & Hat Trick Productions.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/but-you-can-still-be-funny-about-allason-1140054.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/49430.stm

    (Both links should point to the same place as the text of the link)
     
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    You could almost say that those rather unfortunate conspiracy theorists inspired this:
     
  20. Gingerbread

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    The Americans have the right idea on free speech, it's very hard for US people to sue for libel due to the protection of the first amendment unless the statement is false and stated knowingly.
     

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