goalkeeper swapping gloves for a PC

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  1. nerd_is_the_word

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    jamesev i agree with not allowing a break for keepers to add on gear, but a glove swap wouldnt take that long.

    and until a company comes out with a glove designed for saving dragflicks i dont think we will have to worry to much about specialist goalie gear
     
  2. keely

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  3. Roy

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    I thought I'd try swapping gloves for some drag flick practice last night... Used to use a Robo roght hand and had swapped to an SP over a year ago.

    Although the robo is a bit better for "logging", if you use the SP properly it is almost as good. However, when it comes to picking those flicks going top right of you with your stick, the Robo is much better as the stick can follow the line of the arm.

    The SP is much better for open play where you're more likely to be blocking shots in a relatively upright position.

    I will now be swapping gloves at corners...for the last two matches of the season... so will see if any umps pick up on it! :rolleyes:
     
  4. quibble

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    As someone that routinely plays in goal - what's the point? Yes, one type of glove may suit logging better, but if you routinely (or prefertially) log, then any team worth it's salt will just start flicking the ball.

    If this is the case, then the chaged glove would become slightly less favourable. As stated by the other GKs on the forum, learn to use your equipment correctly and you'd not have the need to swap.
     
  5. Kilmory

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    I have heard of this happening. I believe Panda coaches it to his keepers so there must be something in it.

    I think quibble has a good point though. You see the keeper swap his glove to the tube glove you know he has just reduced his stopping area for a drag flick because he is counting on a straight strike.
     
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    Yeah, that's right! I knew this rang bells with me! The Beeston goalie, who is coached by Panda, did it in an EHL game I umpired earlier this season or maybe it was late last season. We had a brief chat about it the first time he did it and I confirmed that it was fine by me (making it up on the spot - as ever!). It all comes back to me now. Old age is a dreadful thing... it plays games with one's memory!
     
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    As I have said learn to use your equipment, however keep an open mind. The responsibility of the coach is to impart knowledge, yours as the receiver is to process this knowledge and ask questions not accept it at face value.The coach should also be able to work with the gear you have, how many GK's have enough equipment to change into at the drop of the hat? Where does it stop changing pads to a different shape because x shape is better than y for logging? If this becomes the norm then you can almost guarantee that the rules makers will step in and place controls to prevent this as they did for stick bows.

    I disagree with coaches whoes sole purpose is to create clones of themselves. Some of the best coaches will leave the decision to the person and let them make up their own mind. That is do 10 your way, then 10 my way and see which is better, however you must do the ten exactly as I say and comment on how it feels, this method gets suprising results as well as let the person being coached know that they are being listened to and their input is respected.

    If changing gloves is what you think is best then by all means do it, however don't forget that the people taking the shot could also have a similar knowledge and adjust their game to the new circumstances (your different glove) in effect rendering your change of little consequence.
     
  8. Roy

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    Thought I was pretty clear on this...but will try again... :rolleyes:

    IMHO, the Robo can be better for stopping dragflicks... I made little mention of logging as the SP can be used very effectivly...as can the Robo.

    So, Kilmorry, that assumption would be pretty foolish of the attacker...the drag flicks are rarely within range of the right glove for me anyhow... it's mostly left hand or stick at full stretch... ie in the side netting.

    Quibble, I too have 'routinely' played in goal...for nearly 20 years... and routinely face national league drag flicks, hits and routines at corners. I will use whatever I can (legally) to gain an advantage, especially against those pesky drag flicks!

    So, if I think that changing glove may help protect the goal... then I think I'll give it a go! If the equipment is so perfect that correct technique will mean every shot can be stopped... then clearly the manufacturers have no more work to do! Imagine saying that 20 years ago! Cane pads and box kickers anyone?
     
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    Seems it's my turn to be mis-understood!!!!!! I have no problem with people gaining as much (legal) advantage as they can, however, I'm just asking how much advantage is there? Is there actually any benifit or is it classic placebo effect - you feel more confident therefore you save more ball??!!!

    I don't routinely face national league standard drag flicks. So as a lowly member of the goal-keeping establishment my view might be tainted. However, apart from the main job as a GK in my club, I often play centre forward for one of our other teams (like a lot of clubs, we have a shortage of players). Even at my crappy standard of centre-forward play, I can easily adapt if I spot a pattern with a keeper. I'd be surprised if national-league standard forwards can't.
     
  10. Roy

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    If I could measure the advantage for you... I would. I don't believe that, for me, it is a placebo effect, it's merely a matter of mechanics.

    On a drag flick which is going to the side netting, I reach towards the path of the balll with my hand. If the stick is in line with my hand, then there is an advantage to me as it falls in line with hand eye coordination. If it is not, then adjustments have to be made, which put the stick and glove and different heights. If you can adjust quickly enough then you may have no problem.

    My team mate who takes our drag flicks has noticed the difference too, in the amount I can pick with my stick.

    As for attackers adapting to a style of play, I'm quite happy to take them away form their primary style. If they then want to run the ball in and vary their routines because they have lost confidence in their ability to beat me in a dragflick, just because I've changed gloves... then half the job is done!!

    It appears to be working for me, which is the most important thing...to me. Quibble, it may not work for you... but I am assuming you have tried it in training and/or a match rather than just guessing??
     
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    Tried it out in training and didn't like the feel of swapping kit rather than using my tried and tested kit. As such, didn't bring the change to a match!!
     
  12. Roy

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    Fair enough
     

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