EHL 2012/13 KO16

Discussion in 'General Club Tournaments & Competitions' started by John, Jan 29, 2013.

  1. redumpire

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    Thanks.

    Different scenario though, isn't it? A stick with a bow > 25mm is against the rule and may confer a benefit on the user every time s/he uses it. It would be impossible to penalise the stick's user only on those occasions when a benefit was gained. On the other hand, the umpire(s) can decide on each occasion whether or not a 15m hit being taken from the wrong place confers a benefit and then penalise only those that do.
     
  2. John

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    Not sure that is a very good comparison at all!

    That said I was being facetious and have dragged this too far away from the EHL.
     
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    hard to believe that! ;)
     
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    At least you can't say I hide behind a computer to be an sarcastic git! More than happy to do it to peoples faces as well. I'll keep you posted about the end of the month, be ncie to say hello.
     
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  6. redumpire

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    Out of interest, and accepting it's well off topic, may I politely ask why you don't think it's a good comparison?
     
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    A low bow would only really give an advantage when drag flicking and would probably be more of a hindrance when hitting. So in that case would an umpire only blow when the player was gaining a benefit ? ie when drag flicking?
     
  8. John

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    Of course, I have no axe to grind, it is merely an opinion!

    Ostensibly I see no difference in playing with an illegal bow which is a breach of the stick rules and taking a 15 metre hit (or whatever the correct term is these days) from 20 metres which is a breach of the rule on restarting the game. These are both rule breaches.

    In reality I would suggest that allowing play to restart from 20 metres where there is no advantage to the defending team helps to keep the game flowing, is no different than allowing a player to use an illegally bowed stick which makes negligible difference to the players skill level when compared to a 25mm bow.

    I guess the difference in views is that you are suggesting that the hits from the 20m are viewed on an individual basis for advantage whereas the illegal stick provides and advantage all the time.

    My view is with respect to the stick that actually there isn't really any advantage its more a personal preference for the palyer. That said I might change my opinion if I were standing on the line and Taeke is running up with a 50mm stick!
     
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    Yup, plus, you couldn't penalise a player every time s/he gained an advantage by using an illegal stick but allow him/her to continue using it. Once you've declared it illegal you have to remove it. That's not true of a 15m hit being taken from 20m. You can penalise (or re-set, to begin with) each relevant breach of the rules.
     
  10. John

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    so when was the last time you measured a pitch? ;)
     
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    Before this season's men's prem indoor at Burton. Touché?! :D
     
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    Technically Redumpire, you got me to measure the pitch !
     
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    Technically, CardHappy, that's correct, but I couldn't possibly have done everything... ;)
     
  14. jaduong

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    so he didn't measure the pitch!!!

    the plot thickens.
     
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    I ensured the pitch's dimensions were correct by asking one of my minions highly respected umpiring team to check it out for me during the week in advance of the tournament. That way, if it had been wrong we would have had plenty of time to sort it out, rather than panicking about it on the morning of the event. Good risk management, good delegation, good TD-ship! :D
     
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    Then Red said "let the pitch be measured" and there was measurement of the dimensions.


     
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    And Red saw the dimensions, that they were good.

    ;)
     
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    and on the seventh day, they umpired and TD'd indoor hockey. now how can checking the watering system for an outdoor tournament turn into a story about the flood?
     
  19. jaduong

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    this just gets better and better.
     

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