I took this comment as saying not, "Could we please get back on topic," but "just wait, some jerk is going to come along and ruin our legitimate fun in being off-topic." Given that you've complained about being constrained in the past before, it seemed to be a reasonable interpretation. Not a really good defense, red. Grumpy's right - there is obviously more to discuss and the thread belongs to everyone who is contributing. Jordan is someone that I quote to my 13 year-old stepson often (he's a basketballer) as a model of an athlete who embraces failure as an integral part of success. It's a great message.