3.4 Unsure of meaning

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  1. UmpireHockey.com

    UmpireHockey.com FHF All Time Great

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    In the guidance for this rule it says:

    "A penalty corner is awarded if a substitution does not take place correctly. A personal penalty is awarded if a captain does not exercise any other responsibility."

    Anyone know what the second part of that second sentence...

    "[The captain is carded if the] captain does not exercise any other responsibility."

    ...means?
     
  2. Nij

    Nij FHF All Time Great

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    The captain is responsible for the behaviour of the players on their team.

    That provision means you can card the captain for their players altogether taking the piss or acting like gits.

    Compare with the outdoor rules where the PC provision doesn't apply, so the only recourse is giving a card.
     
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    Is that to suggest then that the captain is not carded for additional substitution violations? Only award a penalty corner?!?
     
  4. sanabas

    sanabas FHF All Time Great

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    If the captain fails to exercise their responsibility to stop the coach being a goose, keep their players behaving, etc, then they cop a personal penalty.

    If the captain fails to exercise their responsibility to have subs be performed properly, then it's a PC.

    If the team is silly enough to stuff up their subs after already giving away a PC, call another PC. It's a pretty big penalty, why would you need to card the captain on top of that, especially if it's just a case of the bench making a mistake?

    But I think the rule could be worded better, for sure.
     
  5. redumpire

    redumpire FHF All Time Great
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    Yes.
     
  6. jayjay

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    you'll find that by the rules, the captain is only respnsible for all PLAYERS on the team, not the coach. many countries have additional provisions for dealing with coaches.
     
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    In my view it simply emphasises the distinction between indoor and outdoor: in the one each subbing error is penalised by PC and not a card; in the other a subbing error is penalised by card to the captain and not a PC.
     

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