2017 INDOOR rules published

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  1. redumpire

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    What's the thinking behind that decision?
     
  2. Trig

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    Why not?


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  3. toonboon

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    German indoor is highly competitive, they will likely not want to experiment with such a game changing rule and let other federations be their test animals.

    I know the Dutch fed did this with the 6 to 5 a side rule for similar reasons.
     
  4. D-Fence

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    I don´t know the exact reasons for the decision. The rulechange was discussed in the umpires and rules board and there was a pro and cons discussion with all coaches of the 1. Bundesliga, and they decided against the long corner.
    It´s quite a fundamental change in my opinion and I guess they don´t like changes to a running system.
    The Bundesliga works pretty well and there are a lot of goals, so why change it?
    I think indoors it is much harder for a keeper to safe a shoot at goal and to keep it in game without beeing dangerous compared to outdoors.
    In my opinion the longer corner would be too much of an advantage for the attacking team.
     
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    Thanks for the response.
     
  6. Diligent

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    Umpired my first indoor session this afternoon, to new 2017 rules.

    Long corner a significant improvement to time in play, since defence much more likely to control and clear than let the ball run off the back. Umpires and teams into the swing of it within minutes.

    What's not to like?
     
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    The fact that the 2017 indoor rules aren't introduced in England until 1 Nov...? ;)
     
  8. Mick Mason

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    For defending teams, no more having the GK head out along the baseline and shut down the player trying to get out of the pocket. For attackers, no more getting trapped in the pocket, deflect it off the defender over the backline and get to start in the clear again. I think it will just be different, maybe open the game up a bit, not necessarily better or worse.
     
  9. ColinSwenglish

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    Although I see the positive aspect of it I also see a slight imbalance. In terms of the defence not just allowing the ball of the backline, the increase in the pace of the game, and in terms of fairness for the attacking team if the ball is pushed off backline its good. Personally I would have made it so if the goalkeeper made a save and it goes of the backline this is not a long corner, but if the defender makes a mistake and or deflects the ball of the back line then this should be a long, but perhaps this is too hard to umpire. Now it makes shooting in the D from any angle and it taking a deflection an easy choice over actaully having retain possestion, or use skill to move the ball. Given how hard it is to save penalty corners and shots i feel for indoor goalkeepers.

    I generally see this as a positive change though.
     
  10. Mick Mason

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    We saw this on Friday night in the under 18 comp I coach in. People taking shots all over the D knowing that if it goes off the gk over the back they just get another go at it. It sure made for some exciting hockey.
     
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    That´s the way the rules are in Handball and it works pretty well.
     
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    How long is allowed for defenders to get ready for a short corner?
     
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    It depends on local regulations. In England we normally allow 40 seconds, but note that the clock is not stopped.
     
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    Had my first experience watching the new rules last weekend and the jury is still out for me on the long corner. While it might have increased the time in play, I think it also increased the time the ball was trapped in the corners.

    What was more concerning for me was the penalising of defenders with a PC for losing control of the ball under pressure near the back line, presumably on the pretext that it was deliberately played off. Now clearly some defenders may be playing the odds that they will get away with it, but I have never seen a PC given outdoors in a similar situation and quite frankly it's a huge call. (Disclaimer: I am, or use to be, a defender!)

    Interestingly, this "interpretation" appeared to being used at Bromsgrove, but not at Nottingham. I also note that this point is not specifically mentioned in the FIH Indoor Umpires Briefing notes 17/18.

    Perhaps @redumpire can advise if this was discussed in the umpires briefing beforehand?
     
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    For me long corners are great (player's perspective) means the attacking team is more likely to be awarded for an effort at goal (i.e. if the keeper makes a save and it goes behind it is no longer a defensive ball), meaning that I feel I've got more license to have a shot. What's more it means the defense are under more pressure to do something with the ball - leads to more mistakes etc and the attacking team can capitalise better. Surely I would've thought its more exciting too because of these things!
     
  16. Nij

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    It seems more like those are both arguments against the rule, from the perspective of a sport. The attacker gets rewarded for not actually scoring, and the attacker gets rewarded for the defender's negative skill action rather than the attacker's positive skill action.

    Given the scores for indoor are much higher than outdoor despite much less match time, I don't think it's sensible to encourage rules that favour the attacker in the first place, unless there are significant independent reasons to introduce said rules.
     
  17. Diligent

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    Isn’t it a bit late to be arguing this Rule, when we are well into the second season of playing it?
     
  18. Nij

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    Own goal only lasted a season. There's obviously high-level criticism from influential parties. You're speaking as if we can't ever go back on a rule being included.
     
  19. sord89

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    This literally never happens in hockey. Ever. Especially indoor. Just look at the changes in the number of outfield pla... oh
     
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    Absolutely not.
    How else does anything established get changed?
     

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